most taxpayers and going over the fiscal cliff? >> well, a couple thing, ali. first of all, i think the outlines of that deal you just described are probably where they're headed, although i don't think that mitch mcconnell and harry reid -- i hear they're negotiating maybe a little higher income threshold, so maybe not $250,000, maybe $400,000 or $500,000. even the president put that on the table a couple weeks ago. i was pleased to hear jessica said she think wes ear inching towards an agreement. i don't want to go over this cliff. i think it would be a mistake politically and economically to do that. but i want to let your viewers know that this is not a fight about small things. it's a fight about big, big ideas, about what our entitlement programs are going to look like, what is our tax system going to look like, how much are we going to spend on all these programs. these are deep ideological divisions between the two parties. i hate to see it come to the edge of this cliff, but the ideas here that we're fighting about are of